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    Today I lost around 1/2hour coding, because MCS shut up and disappears.
    Some weeks ago I've had the same error and I think it's about the growing redo-buffer during coding without assembling.
    The consumed memory is growing (in taskmanager) until there is an error and the code ist lost.

    I'm working with PBP3 Gold and MCS 5.0.0.5 on Win7 64Bit (Thinkpad X201, i7 CPU, 8GB RAM...)

  • #2
    Hi,
    This happends to me as well, at home and at work, running W7-64bit at both locations, MCSP at home, MCS at work.

    I haven't checked the memory consumption but will do next time I'm coding. What's strange though is that sometimes it can take hours, sometimes minutes or not even that before it crashes. I DO get an error message though, which I'll grab next time it happens. Bloody frustrating is what it is.

    /Henrik.

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    • #3
      The error msg is about "out of memory" or so

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      • #4
        about error

        I think it's a compatibility issue with win7 (maybe just with win7 64bit), I save my work few times in a minute. message I get is "MCSP stopped working", I didn't go deep in research what error code is it.

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        • #5
          Well, I don't think it's a compatibility issue with Windows 7-64.
          I have Win7-64 at work, and at home.
          I've never seen that happen.

          I'm a bit confused about which versions of Microcode Studio are being used.
          Maybe there's some commonality that isn't obvious.

          BigWumpus says MCS 5.0.0.5
          Starting with version 5 of Microcode Studio, there was an X added.

          MCSX is the free version.
          MCSPX is the Full version with ICD and Bootloader.

          Henrik says MCSP at home, MCS at work
          Yet I know you have PBP3, which means either MCSX or MCSPX.
          What's the version number?

          NORTON also says MCSP.
          Is yours and old version, or an X version.

          If the problem is with a single version, I might buy it being a "Bug".
          If not, I would suspect something with Windows.

          While there are several reasons for Microcode crashing on start-up ...
          I just don't hear about this problem from any of the thousands of support calls/emails we take.

          Could you guys repost your version numbers? PBP / Microcode / Windows

          Is Microcode Studio the only program that suddenly crashes on your computer?
          Be honest.
          PBP3 Manual : Microchip Datasheets - 10F, 12F, 16F, 18F
          Never download a PIC datasheet from anywhere but microchip.com

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          • #6
            updated post

            Thank You for fast response Darrel.
            yes, my bad, I should have provided more detailed info.
            "help>>about" of MCSP shows message:
            MicroCode Studio Plus, version 5.0.0.5
            Compiler version is PBPX 3.0.7.4
            system: WINDOWS 7 pro 64 bit, desktop (always updated)
            I'll update this post if I can find the error code number.

            oh, about being honest. there's a game I play sometimes on my PC, that one crashes sometimes after start. the Internet explorer may "stop working" on some suspicious site, same time system will report something like "Internet explorer was shut down to protect your system from viruses..." and problem is reported to Microsoft.
            I have the same problem with MCSP on my laptop.
            by the way MCSP stops working only while typing or copy pasting as far as I know.
            Last edited by NORTON; 03-31-2014, 04:53 PM.

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            • #7
              Hello,
              Henrik says MCSP at home, MCS at work
              Yet I know you have PBP3, which means either MCSX or MCSPX.
              What's the version number?
              Quite right Darrel, I appologise for the confusion. To be fair though, both to BigWumpus and to myself, the executable IS named MCSX (or MCSPX) but neither the titlebar of the actual application nor the about box says anything about the X-part, but never mind that.

              At work - which is where I can check at the moment I'm running an english 64bit version of Windows 7 with service pack 1 installed. I'm running MCSX 5.0.0.3 and PBPX 3.0.7.4.

              Here's a thread on the other forum which discusses the same or similar issues. As you can see I've had the problem before, then it "vanished" and come back again. It's probably a subjective thing depending on how much you actually USE it. What is weird though is that somethimes it only takes seconds before crashing, sometimes it doesn't crash in hours.

              I spent 10 minutes writing dummy code but of course I wan't able to make it crash. I'm pretty sure though that the error message *I* get is far more cryptic than "our of memory". I will make sure to capture it the next time it does happen.

              /Henrik.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the version information.

                Sorry about the "X" confusion, I should have mentioned that you can tell the "X" or not "X" from the Start Menu.

                Click image for larger version

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                Using the images from the other thread.
                If someone gets the error again, you will probably see a window similar to this ...
                Notice the link that says "click here".



                After clicking the link, you should see a window like this ...



                That window may (or may not) contain relevant information about the error.
                A screen shot is not enough though, there's a very long list that can be copy&pasted.
                There is also a file shown at the bottom that contains the same information.

                If someone gets the error again, I would like to take a look at the complete error report.
                Reports from more than one person would be great too.
                Thanks!

                And, if you can remember ... does the problem only happen when using cut/copy/paste operations like NORTON's?

                More straws to grasp ...
                Is everyone using English versions of Windows? (I hadn't thought of that)
                Is anyone using a MAC running Windows under Parallels or something similar?
                PBP3 Manual : Microchip Datasheets - 10F, 12F, 16F, 18F
                Never download a PIC datasheet from anywhere but microchip.com

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                • #9
                  saved messages by the system

                  not sure if this is enough info but I found automatically saved errors.
                  there were 15 messages saved, their data identical.

                  !!!!!!!!!!!!
                  sorry, correction:
                  I found some are different, I added copied messages below.
                  !!!!!!!!!!!!

                  MicroCode Studio Plus, version 5.0.0.5
                  Compiler version is PBPX 3.0.7.4
                  system: WINDOWS 7 pro 64 bit, desktop.

                  Click image for larger version

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ID:	5256

                  message 1
                  -------------
                  Source
                  MicroCode Studio

                  Summary
                  Stopped working

                  Date
                  ‎3/‎1/‎2014 10:51

                  Status
                  Report sent

                  Description
                  Faulting Application Path: C:\PBP3\MCSPX\CodeStudioPlus.exe

                  Problem signature
                  Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
                  Application Name: CodeStudioPlus.exe
                  Application Version: 5.0.0.5
                  Application Timestamp: 2a425e19
                  Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll
                  Fault Module Version: 6.1.7601.18247
                  Fault Module Timestamp: 521ea8e7
                  Exception Code: c0000025
                  Exception Offset: 00090864
                  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
                  Locale ID: 1033
                  Additional Information 1: abcc
                  Additional Information 2: abcc8f7853b48d9807d6d51eb1fa5df9
                  Additional Information 3: abcc
                  Additional Information 4: abcc8f7853b48d9807d6d51eb1fa5df9


                  2nd message
                  -------------------
                  Source
                  MicroCode Studio

                  Summary
                  Stopped working

                  Date
                  ‎2/‎3/‎2014 04:06

                  Status
                  Report sent

                  Description
                  Faulting Application Path: C:\PBP3\MCSPX\CodeStudioPlus.exe

                  Problem signature
                  Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
                  Application Name: CodeStudioPlus.exe
                  Application Version: 5.0.0.5
                  Application Timestamp: 2a425e19
                  Fault Module Name: StackHash_533a
                  Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
                  Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
                  Exception Code: 00000000
                  Exception Offset: 00000000
                  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
                  Locale ID: 1033
                  Additional Information 1: 533a
                  Additional Information 2: 533a56fccdb07adabd5967a27fa1693a
                  Additional Information 3: c7b8
                  Additional Information 4: c7b813cecf5c63b2598653b0d6493f7c

                  Extra information about the problem
                  Bucket ID: 3463722440

                  message 3
                  -------------
                  Source
                  MicroCode Studio

                  Summary
                  Stopped working

                  Date
                  ‎11/‎19/‎2013 19:58

                  Status
                  Report sent

                  Description
                  Faulting Application Path: C:\PBP3\MCSPX\CodeStudioPlus.exe

                  Problem signature
                  Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
                  Application Name: CodeStudioPlus.exe
                  Application Version: 5.0.0.5
                  Application Timestamp: 2a425e19
                  Fault Module Name: StackHash_ff77
                  Fault Module Version: 0.0.0.0
                  Fault Module Timestamp: 00000000
                  Exception Code: 00000000
                  Exception Offset: 00000000
                  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
                  Locale ID: 1033
                  Additional Information 1: ff77
                  Additional Information 2: ff77963f13ccda781d814b397cec08c1
                  Additional Information 3: b3e7
                  Additional Information 4: b3e7ba10874df91b529b131021ed91bb

                  message 4
                  -------------
                  Source
                  MicroCode Studio

                  Summary
                  Stopped working

                  Date
                  ‎12/‎31/‎2013 09:54

                  Status
                  Report sent

                  Description
                  Faulting Application Path: C:\PBP3\MCSPX\CodeStudioPlus.exe

                  Problem signature
                  Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
                  Application Name: CodeStudioPlus.exe
                  Application Version: 5.0.0.5
                  Application Timestamp: 2a425e19
                  Fault Module Name: KERNELBASE.dll
                  Fault Module Version: 6.1.7601.18229
                  Fault Module Timestamp: 51fb1116
                  Exception Code: 0eedfade
                  Exception Offset: 0000c41f
                  OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
                  Locale ID: 1033
                  Additional Information 1: 9fdd
                  Additional Information 2: 9fdd53c76d5d73040739cfadae95ce4c
                  Additional Information 3: 5e1a
                  Additional Information 4: 5e1af18cf4c53cc6c96bb33c04729ecb

                  Extra information about the problem
                  Bucket ID: 3862323789



                  I'll try to get more info if available when error occurs again.
                  Last edited by NORTON; 04-01-2014, 04:45 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the info NORTON.

                    Looking in the Control Panel Action Center ... I found 7 events of MCSP crashing on my computer, with very similar error codes.
                    I don't remember that happening. But I do remember having other problems at that time.

                    The last time it happened was in January of 2013.
                    There are no reports after that point.

                    It just so happens that at that time I had to install new drivers for the NVIDIA Video card because of problems with another program (Proteus).

                    It may just be coincidental, or the video drivers may have fixed the problem (I didn't even know about).

                    It's sure worth a try. You want the latest drivers anyhow ... right?
                    PBP3 Manual : Microchip Datasheets - 10F, 12F, 16F, 18F
                    Never download a PIC datasheet from anywhere but microchip.com

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                    • #11
                      Hi,
                      OK, just started doing some "serious" work on my next project. About 30 minutes in MCSPX crashed:
                      Click image for larger version

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                      I can't say if I did anything specific at the time but now that it's started to misbehave again I'll try my best to remember what I'm doing the next time it crashes - which could be withing seconds or hours....

                      Here's the information given in the crash report (in Swedish, obviously), the only file that is being mentioned is the privacy policy:
                      Code:
                      Problemsignatur:
                        Problemhändelsens namn:	APPCRASH
                        Programnamn:	CodeStudioPlus.exe
                        Programversion:	5.0.0.5
                        Programtidsstämpel:	2a425e19
                        Namn på felmodul:	ntdll.dll
                        Modulens version:	6.1.7601.18247
                        Tidsstämpel för felmodul:	521ea8e7
                        Undantagskod:	c0000025
                        Undantagsförskjutning:	00090864
                        OS-version:	6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
                        Språkvariant-ID:	1053
                        Ytterligare information 1:	abcc
                        Ytterligare information 2:	abcc8f7853b48d9807d6d51eb1fa5df9
                        Ytterligare information 3:	abcc
                        Ytterligare information 4:	abcc8f7853b48d9807d6d51eb1fa5df9
                      
                      Läs vår sekretesspolicy online:
                        http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=104288&clcid=0x041d
                      
                      Om sekretesspolicyn online inte är tillgänglig kan du läsa vår sekretesspolicy offline:
                        C:\Windows\system32\sv-SE\erofflps.txt
                      Looking at the action center I have 66 (!) reports of MCSPX crashing over the last 19 months....

                      /Henrik.

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                      • #12
                        66 ...OUCH!
                        That has to be a pain.

                        I was talking with NORTON on the phone the other day, and he was describing symptoms that were consistent with video driver problems.

                        Task bar button not highlighting properly.
                        No zoom animation when minimizing MCS.
                        MCS doesn't show in the Windows+Tab 3D view.
                        And of course the persistent crashing.

                        We both have NVIDIA cards, but he is running older drivers (3.3.5 if I wrote it down right). I believe his hardware is older, so can't use the same drivers that mine has.
                        My video drivers are version 9.18.13.1106, with an NVIDIA Quadro NVS290.

                        I'm still leaning towards the Video Drivers, but I don't really know if that's the problem.
                        So if you could take a look at what you have Henrik, I would appreciate it.

                        Do you have an NVIDIA card, and what version are the drivers?
                        If you go to the NVIDIA website, do they have new drivers for your hardware?
                        PBP3 Manual : Microchip Datasheets - 10F, 12F, 16F, 18F
                        Never download a PIC datasheet from anywhere but microchip.com

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                        • #13
                          Hi Darrel,
                          Yes, it is "a bit" frustrating. Today there's only been that one crash though - still one to many.

                          I don't see any of the issues you mention. MCSPX "fades away" when minimized, it's being shown like any other window or application when Windows+TABbing and there's highlighting and preview when hovering the mouse over the icon in the taskbar.

                          Click image for larger version

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                          Looking in the device manager on this machine tells me i've got INTEL HD Graphics 4000, it's integrated in the motherboard/cpu. I don't know for sure what's in the laptop at work which also experience the same issue but I don't think it's NVIDIA. I may be wrong but I don't think it has ever crashed on my XP laptop here at home.

                          My OS is Swedish, yet the error message is in English. Is MCS(P)X developed in Delphi and is it running in some sort of runtime environment in Windows or how does it work?

                          I don't do much Windows programming but I've come across a specific scripting language (Cypress Enable) which does things "weird" on 64bit operating systems. The reason is it's so old it doesn't have any 64bit variables so when Windows returns a pointer to a filename (or whatever) it (Cypress Enable) goes to a completely different memory location and things ends badly.... Perhaps something similar is happening here.

                          /Henrik.

                          EDIT: Now I can't seem to attach pictures, they all end up showing a file size of 157bytes. Ah, doesn't matter it just showed MCSP in the Win+TAB "roller".

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                          • #14
                            Well, so much for the Video Driver theory.

                            I'm at a complete loss ...
                            All I can say is that the error code c0000025 is a common error that simply means unrecoverable error (can't continue).
                            Search the internet and you find many different programs crashing with the same error.

                            I have yet to find any of the search hits that might solve the problem.

                            Strangely, I wish my computer still had the crashing problem.
                            Maybe I could track it down.
                            PBP3 Manual : Microchip Datasheets - 10F, 12F, 16F, 18F
                            Never download a PIC datasheet from anywhere but microchip.com

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                            • #15
                              Hi,
                              During the course of an hour today MCSPX has crashed on me 4 times and I've now got a total of 80 reported crashes (over a ~2 year period) in the Control panels action center .

                              Sometimes I can work for hours without it crashing and sometimes (like today) it seems to do it all the time. I've tried and tried to "couple" the crash to something specific I'm doing but I just can't see it.

                              This is really frustrating and I know I'm not the only one experiencing this issue. Is there any chance David Barker could look into this?

                              Thanks!
                              /Henrik.

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